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i can't wait for Ouya to finally free the games
the games will be free of tyranny
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Aria Genisi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:14 ami can't wait for Ouya to finally free the games
the games will be free of tyranny
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https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/11/ ... ys-launch/
Here's a brief rundown of the limitations early adopters will face on day one:
- "On day 1, PC Chrome gameplay won't support 4K, HDR, or 5.1 Surround Sound." Those features will be added in 2020 for PC players.
- Stream Connect, which allows one player's Stadia viewpoint to be integrated with another player's stream, will not be available in any launch games. The first game to use it is expected to launch by the end of the year.
- State Share (which lets users share save files via links) and Crowd Play (which allows for quick jump-in multiplayer through a YouTube stream) won't be integrated into games until next year.
- At launch, Google Assistant integration will be limited to the ability to turn on the TV and start a game. Soon after launch, the Assistant button on the Stadia controller will work on Chromecast's Stadia homescreen. Assistant support on PCs and phones and during gameplay will come sometime after that.
- Family Sharing (which lets you buy a game once and share it with accounts held by family members) "is not supported on day one, so you’ll have to buy games for your child’s account." The feature is planned for addition "early next year."
- There is no Stadia UI for Achievements or Achievement notifications on day one. But if you happen to perform an in-game feat that would earn a specific Achievement, it will show up when the feature is rolled out "shortly after launch."
- Chromecast Ultra units included in the Founders/Premiere bundles are the only ones that will work with Stadia on day one. Other Chromecast Ultra units will be able to play Stadia games after an over-the-air update "soon after launch."
- The "Buddy Pass" that lets early adopters offer a free three-month Stadia trial to a friend will be sent "about two weeks after you receive your bundle, barring some unknown unknowns popping up."
- Currently, "the phone is needed for initial setup and buying games." Buying games through a Chromecast Ultra or the Web is not supported, and the AMA gave no indication if or when it would be added.
- As previously discussed, mobile support will be limited to Google Pixel phones and ChromeOS tablets at launch. A timeline for general iOS and Android support is still to be determined, but Pixel will likely be the only mobile support "this year," according to the AMA. Google says it "want(s) Stadia to run on every screen eventually."
- As previously discussed, the Stadia Controller's wireless functions will only work with Chromecast Ultra at launch. To use that controller with a phone or tablet, you'll need to plug it in with a USB-C cable. Generic USB controllers will also work with Stadia on PC or phones, but not on Chromecast.
- As previously discussed, only 12 titles will be available for purchase on Stadia at launch, with 14 more promised by the end of the year. A handful of other previously announced "launch window" titles on Stadia are planned for early 2020.
Some other interesting tidbits from the Stadia AMA:
- At the highest visual quality, the Stadia app warns that "data usage might reach 20 GB/hr." That's above some previous estimates that expected 15.75 GB/hr for a 4K HDr signal with 5.1 surround sound. Limiting the stream to 720p stereo quality via the app caps data usage at 4.5 GB/hr.
- "You should expect regular games" as freebies with your $10/month Stadia Pro subscription, but Google can't commit to a solid schedule for their availability yet (beyond Destiny 2 at launch). Similar services from Sony and Microsoft offer multiple free games per month.
- A personal Stadia stream will continue to run for ten minutes after you shut down on one screen, allowing you time to switch to another device and pick up where you left off.
- Stadia will use letterboxing to fit the game image on screens that are not set to the standard 1080p or 4K aspect ratios.
- Google and PowerSupport have developed a Stadia controller grip, called the Claw, which holds a Stadia phone "centered and 'floating' over the controller," unlike generic phone/controller grips. It won't be included in pre-order bundles but will be available for purchase in the GStore "in the coming weeks."
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xCloud basically already won the streaming format wars, but in all likelihood streaming will go the way of VR so it doesn't matter anyway
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Honestly that "play with streamers by pushing a button" sounds pretty neat but should really have been a launch option, since all the people into that kinda social gaming won't even get a Stadia until it actually releases that feature on games they're interested in, so their initial sales are gonna look even worse.
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Plus literally everything else sounds horrendous.
Yes, you can only use wireless features on this Google product, but you can't actually buy any games with that one, you need a DIFFERENT google product for that!!
Like, how many people even own a google pixel? Do they really think limiting sales options is a good idea?? Their main draw is the ease of use with PC and mobile web browsers, for heck's sake
Yes, you can only use wireless features on this Google product, but you can't actually buy any games with that one, you need a DIFFERENT google product for that!!
Like, how many people even own a google pixel? Do they really think limiting sales options is a good idea?? Their main draw is the ease of use with PC and mobile web browsers, for heck's sake
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it's amazing how much less of a public relations problem capitalism would have if they literally just did the things they said they would do
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I do wanna laser focus on this particular point:
you legitimately have to be living in a fairy world to expect that 20GB/hr is something that a lot of people would just be able to do with the vast majority of US ISPs
and like, even the non-4K lower quality option that caps at 4.5GB/hr is extremely a lot
the last ISP i had gave garbage speeds for the only plan option that was available and had a fucking data cap on top of that and like, just downloading a ton of larger games off of steam during one month in addition to the usual YT stuff and junk was enough to hit the data cap once and it was fucking stupid as hell. thankfully the current ISP i've got doesn't have a data cap but not everyone has that option! and not everyone has great speeds either!
20GB/hr data usage is absolutely ridiculousAt the highest visual quality, the Stadia app warns that "data usage might reach 20 GB/hr." That's above some previous estimates that expected 15.75 GB/hr for a 4K HDr signal with 5.1 surround sound. Limiting the stream to 720p stereo quality via the app caps data usage at 4.5 GB/hr.
you legitimately have to be living in a fairy world to expect that 20GB/hr is something that a lot of people would just be able to do with the vast majority of US ISPs
and like, even the non-4K lower quality option that caps at 4.5GB/hr is extremely a lot
the last ISP i had gave garbage speeds for the only plan option that was available and had a fucking data cap on top of that and like, just downloading a ton of larger games off of steam during one month in addition to the usual YT stuff and junk was enough to hit the data cap once and it was fucking stupid as hell. thankfully the current ISP i've got doesn't have a data cap but not everyone has that option! and not everyone has great speeds either!
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IIRC I said this on SA, but even my Finnish ISP would probably call me to ask me wtf I was doing if I suddenly started using up 20GBs of data every hour for days on endAria Genisi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:45 pmI do wanna laser focus on this particular point:
20GB/hr data usage is absolutely ridiculous
you legitimately have to be living in a fairy world to expect that 20GB/hr is something that a lot of people would just be able to do with the vast majority of US ISPs
and like, even the non-4K lower quality option that caps at 4.5GB/hr is extremely a lot
the last ISP i had gave garbage speeds for the only plan option that was available and had a fucking data cap on top of that and like, just downloading a ton of larger games off of steam during one month in addition to the usual YT stuff and junk was enough to hit the data cap once and it was fucking stupid as hell. thankfully the current ISP i've got doesn't have a data cap but not everyone has that option! and not everyone has great speeds either!
and like, they don't really care about anything here as long as you pay 'em. no throttling or data caps or whatever
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who are the people who made this thing and in which vault did they grow up
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tbh, i wonder if you even had the money for a high speed internet connection, would it even be enough
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That's the problem, Google hardly seems to think outside of the bubble of New York City and San Francisco anymore.Aria Genisi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:45 pmyou legitimately have to be living in a fairy world to expect that 20GB/hr is something that a lot of people would just be able to do with the vast majority of US ISPs
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like this isn't downloading a video game, this is literally stream playing a video game, there's no way this can work over an internet connection at any reasonable quality.
it's not like streaming in your house over lan where you're physically closer to your pc and the only traffic on your network is you
it's not like streaming in your house over lan where you're physically closer to your pc and the only traffic on your network is you
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so apparently
Google just expects ISPs to raise their data caps when they see people using a lot of data for Stadia
that's
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I mean if it WORKED it'd be a net gain since data caps are ridiculous for cable internet since usage doesn't increase cost to the ISP, like it would have with modems back in the day.
But it won't work, google!!! You are not actually sitting on a throne able to decree whatever you want to make the entire world change, okay?? This is a bad idea!!
But it won't work, google!!! You are not actually sitting on a throne able to decree whatever you want to make the entire world change, okay?? This is a bad idea!!
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Google knows how diabolical ISPs in the US are from their own dealings with Google Fiber
how can they actually say or believe this
how can they actually say or believe this
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Their slogan was "Don't be Evil" not "Don't be Dumb" unfortunately.
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i don't know what you're talking about, the internet in my ny penthouse mansion is super fast
everyone has that
everyone has that
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When we first got data caps here, we maxed them out the first month just through normal usage, and when we called to cancel our subscription, the person on the other end said that it was impossible, people don't hit the data cap! 100 GB per month was impossible to hit, there is no reason to cancel just because they added data caps, please stay on, we will give you a free month.
I said no
I said no
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it's impossible if the only thing you do online is check your email and read the news
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stadia is the juicero of video game services
google wanted to create a console-like experience so they took a decent idea and they got so far up their ass with silicon valley bullshit that they ended up making the decent idea way worse
also they're rushing the fucking thing out the door immediately, so that it can be ready for Black Friday and the holiday shopping season, even though it's clearly obvious that this thing needed at least a few extra months to get all it's features ready and maybe get a better fuckin lineup of games if it wanted any chance in hell of impressing anyone beyond the tech bros who are already sold on the very idea of it
google wanted to create a console-like experience so they took a decent idea and they got so far up their ass with silicon valley bullshit that they ended up making the decent idea way worse
also they're rushing the fucking thing out the door immediately, so that it can be ready for Black Friday and the holiday shopping season, even though it's clearly obvious that this thing needed at least a few extra months to get all it's features ready and maybe get a better fuckin lineup of games if it wanted any chance in hell of impressing anyone beyond the tech bros who are already sold on the very idea of it
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irony is that at one point in time google was, themselves, trying to solve this problem with Google Fiber, but then they got distracted by something shiny I guess
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i have a fast gigabit fiber connection with no caps so i am probably the target audience for this but even though i'm excited and interested in all the technical stuff about this, google has been screwing it up with every business decision around this and I'm not interested in their implementation at all
now microsoft's xcloud on the other hand, i am looking forward to. "play all the games you already own or subscribe to" is a lot more appealing than "buy these games at full price if you want to play anything"
now microsoft's xcloud on the other hand, i am looking forward to. "play all the games you already own or subscribe to" is a lot more appealing than "buy these games at full price if you want to play anything"