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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:46 am

speaking of the something awful thread, I'm rofling at the people who take anything that happens in the ending at 100% face value with no hint of metaphor or twist and expecting dumb undertale fanwank stuff from the shitty dog who for the past few hours pretty consistently did better than that.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Weird Autumn (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:59 am

I should relisten to the end credits theme and pay close attention to the lyrics sometime, there were a few lines that stood out to me as probably foreshadowing and possibly slightly sinister.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Weird Autumn (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:27 pm

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I should relisten to the end credits theme and pay close attention to the lyrics sometime, there were a few lines that stood out to me as probably foreshadowing and possibly slightly sinister.
When the light is running low
And the shadows start to grow
And the places that you know
Seem like fantasy

There's a light inside your soul
That's still shining in the cold
With the truth
The promise in our hearts

Don't forget
I'm with you in the dark
Most of this is pretty broad and doesn't strike me as any kind of direct foreshadowing, but the last line immediately jumped out to me. I'd definitely wager that "I" refers to someone very specific, and given the post-credits scene, I'm willing to bet it's exactly who you'd assume.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Quanta (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:09 pm

Well, there's that one dialogue trigger in Sans' basement where the photo album also contains a photo of 3 smiling faces and has the words "Don't forget" written on it, so I wouldn't discount the idea of foreshadowing just yet.

I'm also wondering if the blueprints and the broken machine in the basement are also the evil plan + machine that you ended up constructing in this game. :ponder:
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Re: DELTARUNE

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Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:46 am
speaking of the something awful thread, I'm rofling at the people who take anything that happens in the ending at 100% face value with no hint of metaphor or twist and expecting dumb undertale fanwank stuff from the crappy dog who for the past few hours pretty consistently did better than that.
guys but it's chara and gaster but chara IS gaster and they're gastering their chara chara gaster gaster THE WORLD MUST KNOW MY THEORY :ponynet:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm

Hey, uh, just a heads up, if you haven't started Deltarune yet, you may wish to go back up C:\Users\(your name)\AppData\Local\Undertale\ if you haven't done so already.

If you have started Deltarune...
I don't know if it's gone for everyone, but it's gone for me.

EDIT: Also, vague posting about a bonus:
All the steps we take, all the moves we make
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I see the chaos for everyone
Who are we? What can we do?

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:32 pm

Venusy wrote:
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Hey, uh, just a heads up, if you haven't started Deltarune yet, you may wish to go back up C:\Users\(your name)\AppData\Local\Undertale\ if you haven't done so already.
Nothing there changed for me, but then again I had my save file backed up from different playthroughs and re-instated them after I read that Deltarune might be connected with those somehow, so maybe that mattered?

I played Deltarune after putting those save files back, if that helps.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:38 pm

Perrydotto wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:32 pm
Nothing there changed for me, but then again I had my save file backed up from different playthroughs and re-instated them after I read that Deltarune might be connected with those somehow, so maybe that mattered?

I played Deltarune after putting those save files back, if that helps.
Do you remember what point your restored UT file was at? My UT file would have definitely been in the epilogue, so I'm wondering if that's why.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:48 pm

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Do you remember what point your restored UT file was at? My UT file would have definitely been in the epilogue, so I'm wondering if that's why.

Mine is in the Epilogue too I think? I'd have to check tbh.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:06 am

Toby Fox posted some FAQs. I suppose there's some spoilers, but this one isn't, an answer to whether this game counts as a sequel:
[...] DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

I don't know what you call this kind of game.

It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to.

That's all.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:35 am

I am very satisfied with Toby's "Radiation" Fox for making this interactive entertainment product

but also I am too lazy to play it despite already installing it
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:55 am

OH GOD DAMMIT

I forgot Funland Arcade increments post counts now


damn you Toby Fox!!!
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Post by Quanta (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:52 pm

Your nice post count is gone forever. rip.
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your postcount is no longer nice, but it is now :good:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:41 pm

Leave it to Undertale to have an official AU game.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:25 pm

I think I'll play this out of spite now

and then patiently wait for the rest of it to arrive concurrently with the next episode of Freeman's Mind after the rapture
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:37 pm

RIP Syndrome wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:55 am
OH GOD DAMMIT

I forgot Funland Arcade increments post counts now


damn you Toby Fox!!!
Just wait until we reopen LYAT and set it so that posts there count as -1 post.
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Fizzbuzz wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:37 pm
Just wait until we reopen LYAT and set it so that posts there count as -1 post.
Alternately, post up a storm in here until your post count hits 420, then stop posting in areas that add to your post count.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:30 pm

W.T. Fits wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:28 pm
Alternately, post up a storm in here until your post count hits 420, then stop posting in areas that add to your post count.
hmm it'd have to be 666 at bare minimum tbh
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:22 pm

Venusy wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm
EDIT: Also, vague posting about a bonus:
All the steps we take, all the moves we make
All the pain at stake
I see the chaos for everyone
Who are we? What can we do?
Beat this earlier. Some tips:
You need some good healing items - the Clubs Sandwich and Top Cake/Spin Cake are pretty important for providing full team heals. Seam's shop sells items with guaranteed 70HP heals, or you can take your chances with the bake sale items.

If you're going for the pacifist option, keeping your tension points as high as possible is a requirement. You want to be able to use the 50% TP action as much as possible rather than the 20%. The 20% can provide some boosts including a full team heal for ~35HP, but it can also make your life worse. (If the gauge is around 40% and someone needs a Ralsei heal, then 20% -> Defend -> Heal is doable).
If you're going for the violent option, I can't really help you.

Near misses are also pretty important for keeping the TP gauge high - as well as helping end attacks faster (?).

Beyond this, it's pretty much practice dodging and luck.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by The Ghost of Ember (?) » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:44 pm

I liked this a lot better than I did Undertale, perhaps because of the fact that "Your Choices Don't Matter" removed the feeling that the game was trying to trick or cheat me out of content the way undertale ended up doing. Or maybe my love of goth gator girls overwhelmed my distaste. Hard to say.

Edit: it was also a lot more original than Undertale, it stole more from broader tropes, it wasn't the "What if Cave Story was an RPG?" lite ripoff that Undertale was.
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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:52 am

On Friday, Toby Fox tweeted about the people who helped him make this game. This tweet stood out to me:


Here are those original card designs.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:59 pm

Update: I have begun playing Deltarune


And now I remember why I never played Undertale and instead watched everything online


I absolutely suck ass at bullet dodging holy hell :negative:
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Post by Venusy (?) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:56 pm

Maybe it was just the muscle memory coming back, but I found DR a lot less challenging than my first playthrough of UT, mainly due to Ralsei heals and being able to act and spare on the same turn. I think I may have used a maximum of one or two healing items through the whole main playthrough (one of them likely on that long screen in the forest with the winged thing that throws stars at you, I'm really bad at dodging those). Even then, no one in the party went down until
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In particular, the King didn't seem anywhere near as challenging as Asgore, as I distinctly remember seeing the "You tell Asgore he's killed you more times than you can count" message on my first playthrough- though granted, that in part may have been due to still trying to find a peaceful solution for longer than I should have.

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Post by Perpetual Motion (?) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:53 pm

Asgore is harder because his fight isn't an endurance test, and the longer the fight goes on, the faster and harder his bullet patterns get. The King has more interesting attacks, but they don't really get difficult until the last one in his fixed pattern. Of course Jevil is there for people itching for a challenge, and I'm sure that the bosses will continue to get harder the more chapters we get into Deltarune.

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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:21 pm

Venusy wrote:
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In particular, the King didn't seem anywhere near as challenging as Asgore, as I distinctly remember seeing the "You tell Asgore he's killed you more times than you can count" message on my first playthrough- though granted, that in part may have been due to still trying to find a peaceful solution for longer than I should have.
To compare him to Undertale bosses, the King felt somewhere around Papyrus in terms of difficulty. This game was a bit too long to be capped off by someone only at Toriel's level (or at least as she was when she purposefully held back).

With this game's theme being that your choices don't matter, I wonder if the rest of the bosses will have easier options for beating them as Undertale's did, or if you'll have to fight your way through all of them.
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RIP Syndrome wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:59 pm
Update: I have begun playing Deltarune


And now I remember why I never played Undertale and instead watched everything online


I absolutely suck ass at bullet dodging holy hell :negative:
I managed to get through it without a game over, but then again I'd learned from undertale the best option is just to load up your inventory with as much healing items as you can.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by RIP Syndrome (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:05 am

I got noticeably better at it with practice but projectile dodging is still the bane of my existence


Funnily enough the game itself also didn't really grab me as such so idk if I'll even bother finishing it. It's okay I guess. Makes me happy I didn't pay money for Undertale because I get this feeling my reaction to actually playing it woulda been about the same
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:11 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:
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To compare him to Undertale bosses, the King felt somewhere around Papyrus in terms of difficulty. This game was a bit too long to be capped off by someone only at Toriel's level (or at least as she was when she purposefully held back).
Speaking of the Toriel fight, during the Susie vs. Lancer fight, did anyone else attempt to intentionally knock Susie out as the only potential peaceful solution? I assume things play out the same regardless of whether you try to do that or not, but I'm curious.

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Post by Quanta (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:47 am

Yeah, it's impossible. Lancer's attacks eventually start avoiding you.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Quanta (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:14 am

Hey, so a little thing, but:
You can catch up with the crown that falls off the Checker boss after the fight:


And it has unique dialogue:

1st line: "Thar she blows..."

2nd line:
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Post by Perpetual Motion (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:17 pm

Another fun little thing: apparently there's a hidden speedrun mode in the game. If you immediately use Kris's bed to go back to sleep instead of going to school, you'll wake up in the dark world, skipping the intro. You'll also find a "wrist protector" on the ground when you wake up. Its description reads "even in a rush, you need to protect your wrist." and what it does is allow you to scroll through dialog by simply holding C, rather than having to hurt your wrist mashing the button instead.

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Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:33 pm

But wouldn't a true speedrun include the whole game, not just the dark world? :ponder:
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Post by Venusy (?) » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:45 pm

No, it's a cutscene skip, and those are normally accepted.

The additional item might mean there are separate categories, but probably not.

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Oh wow, that's hella neat.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Princess Flufflebutt (?) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:56 am

I've only had Ralsei for a day and a half but if anything was to happen to him I'd kill everyone in this room and then myself.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:27 am

Princess Flufflebutt wrote:
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I've only had Ralsei for a day and a half but if anything was to happen to him I'd kill everyone in this room and then myself.
Pro use of a Brooklyn Nine Nine quote, bless.
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Re: DELTARUNE

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Princess Flufflebutt wrote:
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I've only had Ralsei for a day and a half but if anything was to happen to him I'd kill everyone in this room and then myself.
It's "don't forget" not "remember"

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Re: DELTARUNE

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