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DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:14 am

Toby Fox was building up to this on Twitter:

https://www.deltarune.com/

(you might need to disable script blocking to download the game)

Deltarune is an anagram of Undertale. Hmmmmmm :smirk:

NOTE: The page asks you not to spoil things at least for 24 hours if you do try the game on the site. Please follow the same for the thread, and if you must talk about anything, please use the "hidden" tags for it, not just regular spoiler tags. K and thanks!

Gonna try it out right now. :crack:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by W.T. Fits (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:03 am

Still stuck at work for one more hour. But once I get home, I'm gonna be all over this like shingles on a skeleton's roof.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:45 am

I'm a little surprised that this demo(? I assume it's a demo...) got a simultaneous release in English and Japanese. I had no idea that Undertale was such a big deal in Japan.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:47 am

Also, heed Toby's warning:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:20 pm

Now I'm stuck trying to find Broken Key B
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Gloomy Rube (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:25 pm

Of course. Of course. Of Course the names are the same
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:31 pm

That was really sweet. Enjoyed it a lot :3:

I'll wait with more detailed thoughts until tomorrow.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:53 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:47 am
Also, heed Toby's warning:
That's what uninstallers are supposed to, isn't it? Or does he mean it wipes the parent directory as well?

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:08 pm

It might mean the parent, but it could mean that if you've installed to the same directory as something else, it might nuke that directory too.

I've been stuck at work all day so haven't had chance to download it - and still won't for the next few hours.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Gloomy Rube (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:02 pm

I notice at the end it says "To be continued in Chapter 2" instead of "To be continued in the full game" or something similar, so does this mean ol' Radiation is making this an episodic release?
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Quanta (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:22 pm

Gloomy Rube wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:02 pm
I notice at the end it says "To be continued in Chapter 2" instead of "To be continued in the full game" or something similar, so does this mean ol' Radiation is making this an episodic release?
It could be a case where it's just going to be released in installments, or it could just be hinting at there being a much larger game in the works, and the thing put out today was just Chapter 1.

I imagine Toby put some stuff in the datafiles for dataminers to find and speculate on as well.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:26 pm

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Quanta (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:56 pm

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Aria Genisi (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:04 pm

This is the second wildest survey I've ever witnessed.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:45 pm

Finished it.
Probably need to go back and see what was after the Card Castle password.

Spoilers for a FUN encounter in Undertale:
After the update to UT that fixed the FUN variable, I found an NPC in Waterfall that talked about her neighbour's daughter, Suzy, and how we'd eventually meet.

I did a lot of searching in UT, both in-game and in the code for signs of this person that I could not find.
Turns out that NPC was right, we would meet eventually, even if she doesn't know the correct spelling.

(The Switch version apparently changed the FUN NPC's dialogue to make it clearer that you'd meet soon)
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Presumably this is an alternate future, but how did things diverge like this?

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:00 pm

Holy frick, this thing just kept going. Definitely longer than the demo for the original game. I kept saying "All right, I'll hang it up after the next save" and then... didn't.
The "alternate future" thing sounds very likely, since Bratty and Catty seem to be strangers to one another. Also Snowdrake is still Kris's age somehow? A lot of things are weird, besides the obvious.
Oh, and uh...
...am I the only one who got the ending where Kris turns out to be evil? I don't know how that happened. If it's checking the original game files for evidence of Genocide, then something's bugged, because I definitely never went that route. Among other things, I don't have the patience.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:05 pm

Pocket wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:00 pm
Oh, and uh...
...am I the only one who got the ending where Kris turns out to be evil? I don't know how that happened. If it's checking the original game files for evidence of Genocide, then something's bugged, because I definitely never went that route. Among other things, I don't have the patience.
ENDING SPOILERS (pacifist?):
No, I got that too. Either this is how Chapter 2 will start for everyone, or it's deliberately going for the opposite choice made?

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Aria Genisi (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:08 pm

Pocket wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:00 pm
Oh, and uh...
...am I the only one who got the ending where Kris turns out to be evil? I don't know how that happened. If it's checking the original game files for evidence of Genocide, then something's bugged, because I definitely never went that route. Among other things, I don't have the patience.
Nope, I got that too. I went up to the final boss of that route, but backed out of that route entirely instead of finishing it and went into a pacifist route again.

I think that ending....whatever it is...is there for everyone.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by W.T. Fits (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:10 pm

Pocket wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:00 pm
Holy frick, this thing just kept going. Definitely longer than the demo for the original game. I kept saying "All right, I'll hang it up after the next save" and then... didn't.
The "alternate future" thing sounds very likely, since Bratty and Catty seem to be strangers to one another. Also Snowdrake is still Kris's age somehow? A lot of things are weird, besides the obvious.
Oh, and uh...
...am I the only one who got the ending where Kris turns out to be evil? I don't know how that happened. If it's checking the original game files for evidence of Genocide, then something's bugged, because I definitely never went that route. Among other things, I don't have the patience.
I don't think it's an alternate future... I think it's an alternate timeline/reality all together. People in the SA thread were making comparisons to Majora's Mask.
Also...
And going by what people over on SA are saying, everyone gets that ending, even the people who never did Genocide in Undertale.
Unlike Undertale, here it seems none of your choices matter at all. Character creation, dialogue options, even the fights themselves always end with you earning 0 EXP, either because you spared everyone, or they just ran away when you attacked them. But thinking about it, it makes sense that none of your choices seem to matter, because before you even install the game, you agree to accept whatever happens.
I'm really interested to see where this ends up going.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:21 pm

Reminds me of how BioShock Infinite was kind of a deconstruction on the idea of choices mattering, although that was more of a middle finger to 2K for forcing them to put multiple endings into BioShock in the first place.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:35 pm

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also I agree that the choices not mattering is likely deliberate and part of something Toby got planned. Maybe Kris was destined to be a dick due to previous circumstances we had no influence on? Maybe we'll find out more? I'm very curious how it goes.
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perpetual Motion (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:56 pm

I think whatever takes over Kris at the end is almost certainly a separate entity, since they rip out Kris's soul and throw it in the cage.

In any case, I really liked this. The additions to the battle system were welcome and a ton of fun, and I liked how they evolved with Susie's character development. In fact, Susie may be one of my favorite Undertale characters period. While most characters in Undertale evolved a little bit when Frisk befriends them, they otherwise remained static, and most of their development came from learning their backstory/finding out more about them. Susie, on the other hand, is a constant presence in the story and is almost continually changing and growing as a person. In fact, I'd say that she's more the protagonist of the story than Kris.

Plus she's a purple punk rock lizard, which is awesome.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Jill (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:44 pm

i'm not actually gonna play this until it's completed in its entirety but i've heard the battle music and it rules

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:28 pm

Did a little comic to sum up my reaction:

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Post by Perrydotto (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:33 pm

Good art, on point. :allears:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by W.T. Fits (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:58 pm

Pocket wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:28 pm
Did a little comic to sum up my reaction:

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Yeah, that about sums it up.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:08 pm

I... think I finished this? By which I mean I got to the ending, but if it's even anything like the original Undertale demo, that means there's still surely secrets to find. I'll have to spin it up again tomorrow and keep looking.

No matter what, I know I'm looking forward to the full game. :allears:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Gloomy Rube (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:08 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:08 pm
I... think I finished this? By which I mean I got to the ending, but if it's even anything like the original Undertale demo, that means there's still surely secrets to find. I'll have to spin it up again tomorrow and keep looking.

No matter what, I know I'm looking forward to the full game. :allears:
Here's a checklist of things (Not describing how to get them, just saying they exist) to still find if you want one:
-Broken Keys A B and C
-Egg
There's probably more still but that's all I've found so far :-I
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:21 pm

By the way, they never did end up making those tie-in comics that were promised as one of the Kickstarter's stretch goals, did they.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:48 pm

There was also going to be an alarm clock, something Toby Fox mentioned on the Undertale blog on Tumblr (which is where I first checked when I heard there was something new coming) over a year ago but hasn't brought up since, from what I can tell. If I had to guess, I'd say he got busy with the PS4 and Switch ports, support for the Japanese localization, and of course this game.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Venusy (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:02 pm

Perpetual Motion wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:56 pm
I think whatever takes over Kris at the end is almost certainly a separate entity, since they rip out Kris's soul and throw it in the cage.
ENDING SPOILERS/SPECULATION :
The thing is, that's not Kris's soul, it's you - in the same way that you were separate from Frisk and just guided them to either be like themselves or the First Human to fall into the underground . You are the separate entity that took them over, and you have been exorcised.

If Delta Rune's key difference is that monsters were never banished to the underground, that likely makes Kris the First Human - making DR both sequel and prequel.

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Perpetual Motion (?) » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:51 pm

Venusy wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:02 pm
ENDING SPOILERS/SPECULATION :
The thing is, that's not Kris's soul, it's you - in the same way that you were separate from Frisk and just guided them to either be like themselves or the First Human to fall into the underground . You are the separate entity that took them over, and you have been exorcised.

If Delta Rune's key difference is that monsters were never banished to the underground, that likely makes Kris the First Human - making DR both sequel and prequel.
That's... hmmm....
"Since when were you the one in control?" seems pretty appropriate, then, eh?

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Quanta (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:06 am

Gentle reminder that Kris is the name of a type of knife. :twonk: :flail:
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Post by Weird Autumn (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:52 am

I do want to point out, re: your choices not mattering, that one of the very first things Susie says is "Haven't you figured it out yet? Your choices don't matter." There's a lot of tiny bits of dialog underscoring that point.

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Post by Weird Autumn (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:52 am

also i love susie

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Quanta (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:27 am

Weird Autumn wrote:
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also i love susie
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:02 am

Regarding this game's placement vs. Undertale, I really don't think this can be a prequel. Toriel and Asgore are still broken up, something that happened because she was unhappy with his anger towards humans. Additionally, Gerson (the turtle, shopkeeper in Waterfall) died between Undertale and this game, as evidenced by one of the headstones in the graveyard. The other three are also dedicated to the monsters who became the amalgamates in the True Lab; had this been a prequel, they'd still be alive and Alphys never would have carried out those experiments with the determination extracted from the human souls, much less have come to terms with what happened down there.

Looks like it's been 24 hours now. I wonder how much discussion, speculation, and art we're going to see today?
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:10 am

The soundtrack is now available for purchase:
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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:02 am

it's been 25 hours so can I say

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Re: DELTARUNE

Post by Pocket (?) » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:12 am

Weird Autumn wrote:
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also i love susie
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